Having served in several senior energy and environmental policy positions in the House of Representatives, Senate, EPA, and the White House—including most recently as special assistant to President Trump on energy and environmental issues—Michael Catanzaro knows both energy policy and the complicated politics behind it. The Atlantic’s Rob Meyer, a journalism fellow at EPIC, recently interviewed Catanzaro, who is now president of the consulting firm CGCN Group and a policy fellow at EPIC. The two talked about how a potential Biden administration might think about climate and energy policy, what to look for in a second Trump administration, and what steps Congress could take on these issues.